“We actually met at the Music for All [Summer Symposium] and I’ll never forget, it was a summer, whatever, a couple of summers ago….And I walk in, here is Fran, and he’s doing this amazing thing. And I mean, the kids were obviously engaged, but what was really cool is they were having fun, but you wrapped it and you brought it all back and you asked some great questions, and the kids actually responded with what they were learning. I’m like, who is this wizard?! Like this guy! He knows exactly how to get middle school kids to get engaged and then to empower them with the right questions, to get the result, and to walk away like, ‘Yeah, not only was that fun, but I learned something!’ It was amazing!”
Chris Gleason, Art and Creativity Consultant
Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction
The beyond ArtLess podcast with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander strives to explore the friendships and the community that exists within and outside of the arts and arts education world. In each episode, one of the hosts reveals a mystery guest to the other two. Having met Fran Kick during the Music for All Summer Symposium, Chris wanted to surprise Peter and Phil with an interview featuring Fran for their May 11, 2025 episode.
NOTE: Following the recording, Chris shared the video footage and Fran created three “sneak peek” promotional videos that Chris, Peter, and Phil shared on social media to help promote the episode.
